How to evaluate an old bamboo rod

100+ year old bamboo rod

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How to evaluate an old bamboo rod

100+ year old bamboo rod

Post by Daedalus214 » 06/05/11 07:42

Hello,
Let me explain by stating that I have not been on this board in about 4-5 years (I think). I bought this rod from another member on this forum (I don’t remember whom) for over $1000.00 with the best laid plans to build a display case for it. Unfortunately, the best laid plans. this did not happen and the rod has been under my bed since then. I tried to look back on my old posts to get some information on the seller and transaction but was unsuccessful. From what I remember it was a 1-weight, built in the late 1800s or early 1900s, and was rarely used (the pictures will attest to that, hopefully I can accomplish that ). It comes with a green felt rod holder, two tips, and a canvas bag with cotton lining. The canvas bag is actually too short for the rod and was probably meant for a similar but shorter rod. The rod is in excellent shape, especially for its age, and should be with a real collector or a museum instead of under my bed.
I will be moving in the next six weeks and know that I will never give this rod the attention it deserves, so my ultimate goal would be to sell it. If I sell it with the help of members of this forum, I will donate 10% either to the maintenance of the forum or a charity of choice. Thanks for any help proffered.
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Post by jeffkn1 » 06/05/11 09:52

Are you requesting an appraisal? If so, let’s start with a length(?), and a maker or seller name if it’s marked with one. Three piece/two tip, as it appears?

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100+ year old bamboo rod

Post by Daedalus214 » 06/05/11 13:11

4-6 years ago)? When I tried to do so, I found only one of my old posts. Since I bought this rod off of this forum, I know the transaction details would be there. Again, any help would be appreciated.

100+ year old bamboo rod

Post by jeffkn1 » 06/05/11 13:39

Some of the component details are difficult to view when it is still in the formcase. Another photo or two of 1) the lower 12″ of the butt section and 2) closeups of the ferrules would help in IDing. So far, it is similar to a Landman but his rods were usually stamped with his name or a retailer’s.

Can’t help with archives but if the transaction preceded the board switchover to Yuku, they may be lost. A moderator will have to assist you with that one.

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Post by Daedalus214 » 06/05/11 16:20

How to evaluate an old bamboo rod

100+ year old bamboo rod

Post by Daedalus214 » 06/06/11 02:28

Another forum member asked by PM for some specific photos, which are found below. He asked whether the ferrules were made of two different metals, if they are different I cannot tell. Also, there is an indent on the reel seat and the female ferrule comes with a plug. Any other questions or comments, except about me being too dumb to write down the rod details, would be appreciated.

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Post by Gnome » 06/06/11 02:49

Looks like a Landman to me. Note the doubled intermediates at the ferrule stations and the copper waterproofing cap on the male ferrule .

Nice little rod.

How to evaluate an old bamboo rod

100+ year old bamboo rod

Post by cwfly » 06/06/11 08:30

How to evaluate an old bamboo rod

100+ year old bamboo rod

Post by Daedalus214 » 06/06/11 11:17

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100+ year old bamboo rod

Post by cdmoore » 06/06/11 11:31

How to tell how old a bamboo rod is?

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How to tell how old a bamboo rod is?

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Post by OldCane » 05/12/16 10:50

So unless it has a Medicare Card I guess we can’t guess as to its age. How to evaluate an old bamboo rod

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Post by uniquafly » 05/22/16 16:14

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Post by bvandeuson » 05/22/16 17:53

In addition to the advice given, I would take the rod to someone who knows bamboo and can give sound advice. Possibly more important is the fishability rather than age of the rod.

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    Can someone help me evaluate used Bamboo Rods?

    for any bamboo experts: I have been fishing on a 7wt Orvis Silver Label rod for many years. I do a lot of wild trout fishing and would like a light weight bamboo rod. Since I don’t have to much money to spend, I have been searching for used rods and I have no idea how to know what is a good rod that I will enjoy fishing with and what is not. I am trying to stay below 200$ but not if it means i wont like what i get. Here are 9 rods I am thinking about buying. If anyone has time to tell me if any of them are worthwhile that would be very helpful, or order them in order that you think they are worth #’s 1-9 that would be ideal. Thank you very much for any help

    Here is the order of rods i am thinking about getting:

    1) Phillipson Pacemaker 8’6″ bamboo fly rod ebay 113$
    This is the rod I am leaning towards being built in colorado is a plus for me, but its a 5/6wt, something a little lighter might be better. not sure what it is worth. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Phillipson-P. item1c2b7d4ed4

    2) Vintage Heddon 9′ Black Beauty Split Bamboo Fly Rod – $200
    I could go cast this rod before I buy it as it is close to where I live. looks pretty nice. i think there is a site that said its worth around 275$. http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/spo/3284029089.html
    3) I am going to look a rod just like this one tomorrow. I haven’t been able to find anything on Tiger Fly Fisher rods. I think it might be chinese. there were 0 bids on this rod for a 150$ minimum, since it is near my house i can go try it, might be able to get a deal? http://teo-rodsreels.blogspot.com/20. rom-china.html

    4) There are many rods out there people have made that arnt well known rod builders. Some look nice, but how can I know how they cast.
    hand made brook trout rod from novascotia 99$
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-tonki. item43b3a3b7aa

    6) Has anyone heard of Zhus rods? I haven’t been able to find much, but the price makes me skeptical. someone did comment somewhere else that they are like casting with a broom stick.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zhus-Bamboo-. 80737709334%26

    Obviously Orvis rods are beautiful. not sure if I should spend the money tho.
    7) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Orvi. item2a23194d5c

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orvis-Batten. item2322b8939b

    Last edited by rwabdu; 09-22-2012 at 03:56 PM .

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    How to evaluate an old bamboo rod

    A fellow came over to my workshop a couple of months ago to show me “an old Leonard Fly Rod” he had to get my opinion of it. Although I’m not a big collector of old bamboo rods, I always love to see what comes out of an old rod tube. At first glance, here is what I saw on the rod sock:

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    This doesn’t look good!

    Well, that didn’t get my hopes up….a Wright & McGill fiberglass spinning rod. But, things changed when I pulled out a VERY OLD Leonard Bamboo Fly Rod that really got my blood pumping…what a gem! This rod is from the Leonard Rod Shop when it was in Bangor, Maine from 1876 to 1878! Overall, the rod is in reasonable condition given that it is 140 years old. It is 10 1/2 ft. long, and has the most impressive morticed butt section, beautiful rattan grip, and spigot ferrules. And, the reel seat hardware is in beautiful condition. Unfortunately, all the guides had been replaced on the rod, both tip sections are about 1″ short, and there are two repairs that were done many years ago. Check it out:

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    Old Leonard Fly Rod

    How to evaluate an old bamboo rod

    Beautiful Rattan Grip.

    How to evaluate an old bamboo rod

    Morticed Butt Section.

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    Patent Date on the Ferrule.

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    Cool Spigot Ferrules and the H.L.L. Leonard, Maker, Bangor, Me. Stamp on the reel seat.

    I’ve assembled the rod and “wiggled” it a little to see the action. It has a very slow action, and at 10 1/2 ft. in length, it would be hard to fish with. I’m not sure yet what fly line would work best on this rod…I haven’t cast it yet.

    Of note, an identical rod is pictured in Jeff Hatton’s book, Rod Crafting, on page 30. After conversing with couple of collector friends so mine, I’ve discovered that these very old rods generally do not have a significant collector value but they have an important historical value. The gentleman who brought this rod in doesn’t fly fish and was interested in selling the rod. So, after little conversation about the value of the rod, it has now become mine. My only problem….so do I keep it in it’s current condition or have a complete restoration done on the rod? Hmmmmm…….

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    I received an old bamboo fly rod from a relative. It is an Arrow Rod with the name “Marvel” on it. Does any one know how I can find out how old it is and if it is worth more than just an old “wall hanger” Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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    I believe they were made by Hardy.

    Marvel.

    With a bit of research, it sounds like Scott is correct. Hardy produced a bamboo rod called the Marvel. Check it out in an on-line article at:

    Further, arrow style rods are supposed to have evolved from the art of arrow making by craftsman in Japan for archers from long ago. If I understand it correctly, the rod style included round cross, split bamboo sections and ferrule less joints. Apparently, still practiced in Japan. The bamboo material originally used in Japan was not necessarily straight. So, the sections were heated to straighten them. Real craftsmanship. Hardy used the heating method to create their product as well.

    So, this should get you started to find out the value of the rod you have. Try doing a search on Google under Marvel, Arrow model, Bamboo rods or any combo of those titles.

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